Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 8 Dec 89 18:46:11 EST Received: from sunic.sunet.se by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa27006; 8 Dec 89 18:39 EST Received: from AIDA.CSD.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (5.61+IDA/KTH/LTH/1.103) id AAsunic11498; Sat, 9 Dec 89 00:37:52 +0100 Date: Sat 9 Dec 89 00:34:46 From: Johnny Billquist Subject: TU10... To: pdp8-lovers@MC.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <891209003446.9.D89.JOHNNY-BILLQUIST@AIDA.CSD.UU.SE> Does anybody have drawings on the TU10 dec magtape? Mine has stopped working. The vacuum sucker don't suck anymore (is it a sucker?). Please let me know if you have, and if you can spare me a copy. (I'll even pay for it). Johnny Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 11 Dec 89 10:28:49 EST Received: from e.ms.uky.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa01200; 11 Dec 89 10:16 EST Received: from s.ms.uky.edu by g.ms.uky.edu id aa21951; 11 Dec 89 10:13 EST Date: Mon, 11 Dec 89 10:12:07 EST From: Joel Abbott To: pdp8-lovers@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Hi, folks! Organization: The Jimi Hendrix Fan Club Message-ID: <8912111012.aa22555@s.s.ms.uky.edu> I know this list is primarily for pdp8's, but I was curious if anyone knows if there is an existing dec-10 running on tops10. I haven't heard of anything running tops-10 for awhile now... The one I used was retired 4 years ago and I still miss it. Nothing like a good game of DECWAR to keep ya going!! I am in major nostalgia mode, so any information would be neat. Thanks. -- Joel Abbott -> abbott@ms.uky.edu, abbott@ukma.bitnet, uunet!ukma!abbott Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 11 Dec 89 11:12:00 EST Received: from BU-IT.BU.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa03720; 11 Dec 89 11:07 EST Received: from BUIT5.BU.EDU by bu-it.BU.EDU (5.58/4.7) id AA14104; Mon, 11 Dec 89 11:06:45 EST Return-Path: Received: by buit5.bu.edu (3.2/4.7) id AA02077; Mon, 11 Dec 89 11:06:41 EST Date: Mon, 11 Dec 89 11:06:41 EST From: jsol@bu-it.bu.edu Message-Id: <8912111606.AA02077@buit5.bu.edu> To: abbott@ms.uky.edu Cc: pdp8-lovers@MC.lcs.mit.edu In-Reply-To: Joel Abbott's message of Mon, 11 Dec 89 10:12:07 EST <8912111012.aa22555@s.s.ms.uky.edu> Subject: Hi, folks! Date: Mon, 11 Dec 89 10:12:07 EST From: Joel Abbott Organization: The Jimi Hendrix Fan Club I know this list is primarily for pdp8's, but I was curious if anyone knows if there is an existing dec-10 running on tops10. I haven't heard of anything running tops-10 for awhile now... The one I used was retired 4 years ago and I still miss it. Nothing like a good game of DECWAR to keep ya going!! I am in major nostalgia mode, so any information would be neat. Thanks. -- Joel Abbott -> abbott@ms.uky.edu, abbott@ukma.bitnet, uunet!ukma!abbott kicki.stacken.kth.se is a PDP-10 (KI twins) running 7.02C (I think). I don't know if you can get an account on it (you should be able to). It's down alot and when it gets fixed, it runs fine. --jsol Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 11 Dec 89 12:08:51 EST Received: from isy.liu.se by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa06639; 11 Dec 89 11:59 EST Received: from rainier.isy.liu.se by isy.liu.se with SMTP (5.61-bind 1.2+ida/IDA-1.2.8.2/LTH/LiTH) id AA08413; Mon, 11 Dec 89 17:58:43 +0100 Received: by rainier.isy.liu.se; Mon, 11 Dec 89 17:58:41 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 89 17:58:41 +0100 From: P{r Emanuelsson Message-Id: <8912111658.AA22530@rainier.isy.liu.se> To: abbott@ms.uky.edu, jsol@bu-it.bu.edu Subject: Re: Hi, folks! Cc: pdp8-lovers@MC.lcs.mit.edu >kicki.stacken.kth.se is a PDP-10 (KI twins) running 7.02C (I think). >I don't know if you can get an account on it (you should be able to). >It's down alot and when it gets fixed, it runs fine. It's usually not down a lot, but Peter is in the process of moving the whole system. He has also had some nasty system krasches a couple of weeks ago which has brought the whole thing down. Anyway, mail to roll@kicki.stacken.kth.se will probably be most effective (if the mail doesn't get through, there's no point in asking for an account at this time). BTW, I think it's running 7.03. Cheers, /Pell PS I thought this list was for "PDP-8 and *other* vintage DEC computers" so discussing PDP-10's should be OK, right?? Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 11 Dec 89 17:29:51 EST Received: from Sun.COM by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa11416; 11 Dec 89 17:09 EST Received: from snail.Sun.COM (snail.Corp.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07204; Mon, 11 Dec 89 10:02:51 PST Received: from East.Sun.COM by snail.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15872; Mon, 11 Dec 89 09:59:57 PST Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04261; Mon, 11 Dec 89 13:00:28 EST Received: from pdp8.East.Sun.COM by suneast.East.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12222; Mon, 11 Dec 89 13:01:48 EST Received: by pdp8.East.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09462; Mon, 11 Dec 89 13:01:24 EST Date: Mon, 11 Dec 89 13:01:24 EST From: Jonathan Dreyer - Sun BOS PC Distributed Systems Message-Id: <8912111801.AA09462@pdp8.East.Sun.COM> To: pdp8-lovers@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: The program problem... > Did anybody manage to write a program that clears 4kw memory, > including the space that the program resides in? > > I didn't. > > Cold we have the answer, maybe. I did this in college, and amazingly I cannot remember my solution. (It was written in the margin of my book...) However, here's one I did come up with (I know it's not the same as my original, which had no JMS instruction). Like Robert, I can't test this one. ---------------------------------------------------- /This program clears all of a 4K PDP-8's memory. /Start reading at "start". *0 /... and this last instruction first increments auto10 to zero, /then stores a zero at location zero, finishing the job. dca i 10 loc1, 11 0 0 0 0 0 0 auto10, loop *7772 start, cla /The next three lines clear from 11 through loop, /then increment location 1 until it's zero. /After this, all that remains nonzero are locs 0, 10 and loop+1 through 7777. loop, dca i loc1 isz loc1 jmp loop /The previous jmp is dangerous, so nuke it now. dca .-1 /Here's the fun part: /We are at location 7777, so the return address of a jms from here (the /number stored at the target address) is 0. Thus this next instruction /first zeros the isz, then we wander back to zero the (already zeroed) jmp, /then the dca and finally this instruction itself, when we find memory /clear but for locations 0 and auto10, and we are /executing at location 0 with auto10 containing 7777... jms i auto10 Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 12 Dec 89 17:03:28 EST Received: from uxc.cso.uiuc.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa29888; 12 Dec 89 16:53 EST Received: from convex.UUCP by uxc.cso.uiuc.edu with UUCP (5.61+/IDA-1.2.8) id AA22926; Tue, 12 Dec 89 14:11:39 -0600 Received: by convex (5.51/4.7) id AA03263; Tue, 12 Dec 89 09:05:37 CST Received: by concave (5.51/7.0) id AA23544; Tue, 12 Dec 89 09:05:35 CST Received: from Version.6.23.N.CUILIB.3.44.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.concave.Unknown.Machine.Type via MS.5.5.concave.convex; Tue, 12 Dec 89 09:05:34 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 89 09:05:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Anthony A. Datri" To: pdp8-lovers@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: re: tops10 Last I knew Compuserve was 39 10's. Since Compuserve id's are things like 3124,23423 , I always assumed they ran tops-10. I have a picture (a few years old, admittedly) that shows a bunch of KI's with scads of DECtape. A KI was my first real machine to work on, at the Alcoa Technical Center near New Kensington, PA. Ran TOPS-10. While I was around (as an Explorer) they upgraded it to a KL. I'm not sure if they still have it. A couple years ago at CMU the CS department stuck the venerable cmucsb out into the hallway. Here's what it had: CMU-CS-B pdp10 (KI10) Cab # Description ----- ----------- 1 TM10 2 TU20 3 RP10 4 DF10 5 RH10 6 TU10 (2x) 7 RH10 8 MG10 9 MG10 10 MG10 11 MG10 12 TD10 + TU55 (3x) {4 Readers total} 13 KI10 {Cabinet 1} 14 DA28 15 KI10 {Cabinet 2} 16 KI10 {Cabinet 3 -- Console & Paper-tape Reader} 17 RP03 18 RP03 19 RP06 20 RP06 21 RP06 22 RP06 {Crashed} 23 RP06 24 DF10C 25 DA28C 26 KI10 {Processor 2, Cabinet 1} 27 KI10 {Processor 2, Cabinet 2} 28 TM10 29 DL10 30 KL10 {Processor 2, Cabinet 3} 31 TU20 32 TM10 33 TD10 + TU55 (3x) 34 RP10 35 RX01 (3x) Needless to say, it was a looooooooooong hallway. cm* was next to it. Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 12 Dec 89 20:57:57 EST Date: Tue, 12 Dec 89 20:59:29 EST From: "Robert E. Seastrom" Subject: tops10 To: convex!datri@UXC.CSO.UIUC.EDU cc: pdp8-lovers@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU In-reply-to: Msg of Tue 12 Dec 89 09:05:34 -0600 (CST) from Anthony A. Datri Message-ID: <678720.891212.RS@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> > Last I knew Compuserve was 39 10's. Since Compuserve id's are things like > 3124,23423 , I always assumed they ran tops-10. I have a picture (a few > years old, admittedly) that shows a bunch of KI's with scads of DECtape. As DIGEX, who knows more about these things than I do will be happy to attest, the key is "ran". Compuserve's machines run an operating system that _used to be_ tops-10, but has been hacked and modified beyond belief. They started out with KAs and KIs; I'm pretty sure I heard that there are no more KAs there. There may be some KIs left, but I would guess that the majority of what they have these days are KLs. They are probably the largest commercial user of DECsystem 10s (note the capitalization - it's DECsystem 10, DECSYSTEM 20...) left in the world. Maybe the largest that ever was. Anyway, as previously noted, KICKI, a machine at Stacken, the computer club at the Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm, Sweden, is to my knowledge, the only TOPS-10 machine on the Internet today. It is a 3-processor KI-10 (usually running in a 2-processor configuration due to power considerations), which runs a version of TOPS that was hacked to allow symmetric multiprocessing (SMP), which is normally only available on KLs. Although KICKI is the only DEC-10 at the Royal Institute of Technology that's on the Internet, there are others there that you can connect to via the ANF-10 front ends. Try a "set host" to ODEN, NADJA, and AURORA. ODEN is a dual-processor KL, NADJA and AURORA are DECSYSTEM 2020s, running Tops-10. ---Rob Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 17 Dec 89 11:02:47 EST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 89 11:05:59 EST From: Doug Humphrey Subject: TU10... To: "D89.JOHNNY-BILLQUIST@AIDA.CSD.UU.SE"@MINTAKA.LCS.MIT.EDU cc: pdp8-lovers@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU In-reply-to: Msg of Sat 9 Dec 89 00:34:46 from Johnny Billquist Message-ID: <680429.891217.DIGEX@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> I used to have TU-10s on my KA-10, and I think that teh drawings are still in the area somewhere. I will look for them. Doug Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 18 Dec 89 03:02:18 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa08860; 18 Dec 89 2:50 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8512; Mon, 18 Dec 89 02:26:55 EST Received: from SASK.USask.CA by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 7343; Mon, 18 Dec 89 02:26:54 EST Received: from dvinci.USask.ca by SASK.USask.CA; Mon, 18 Dec 89 01:12 CST Received: from skdad. by dvinci.USask.ca (4.0/SMI-3.2); Mon, 18 Dec 89 01:10:48 CST id AA00962 for PDP8-LOVERS@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Received: by skdad. (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA08636; Mon, 18 Dec 89 01:11:24 CST Date: Mon, 18 Dec 89 01:11:24 CST From: russe320%SKDAD.USask.CA@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: DEC tape controller and parts To: PDP8-LOVERS@MC.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <8912180711.AA08636@skdad.> I need a TD8-E DEC tape controller and some boards from a TU5{ DEC tape drive The technical drawing would also be useful. Can anyone help? Norm Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 18 Dec 89 04:48:06 EST Received: from sunic.sunet.se by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa13663; 18 Dec 89 4:43 EST Received: from AIDA.CSD.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (5.61+IDA/KTH/LTH/1.103) id AAsunic08556; Mon, 18 Dec 89 10:42:08 +0100 Date: Mon 18 Dec 89 10:42:46 From: Johnny Billquist Subject: More hardware... To: pdp8-lovers@MC.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <891218104246.35.D89.JOHNNY-BILLQUIST@AIDA.CSD.UU.SE> I'm looking for some more hardware to my little beauty. Specifically: KP8-E Powerfail autorestart option (M848 I believe) KT8-A Memory Management Option KL8-A Serial line multiplexer I doubt that the last two items is easily found, but I can always hope. I anybody got any of this stuff, and is willing to give, sell or exchange this with other stuff, let me know. Now to stuff I have in excess, if anybody need any of this, let me know. Positive I/O bus interface (lots of them) KK8-A (that's a pdp8/a CPU) (one) KM8-A and DKC8-AA (one of each) (this is the two option boards for the 8/a, both are faulty, but should be easy to fix, since it is no big faults, I can tell exactly what faults they have...) KK8-E (that's the pdp8/e CPU) (one) Also, of anybody has KL8-JA Terminal boards over, I'd be interested. KL8-E might be nice too, but I prefer -JA, since I have a plan for modifying them to have software settable speed. Johnny Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 19 Dec 89 06:37:47 EST Received: from sunic.sunet.se by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa12286; 19 Dec 89 6:30 EST Received: from AIDA.CSD.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (5.61+IDA/KTH/LTH/1.103) id AAsunic24949; Tue, 19 Dec 89 12:29:23 +0100 Date: Tue 19 Dec 89 12:29:55 From: Johnny Billquist Subject: A pdp8/i available... To: pdp8-lovers@MC.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <891219122955.33.D89.JOHNNY-BILLQUIST@AIDA.CSD.UU.SE> For all you guys interested in real machines, there is a pdp8/i called CRAP-1 here at Uppsala, which can be reached by telnet. It has the address CRAP.UPDATE.UU.SE (130.238.64.151) The machine only has DECtape, so give it some time to respond. It has, however recently (at long last) been upgraded to OS/8 V3D :-) Please do not scratch any tapes, or run BUILD with funny parameters... Have as much fun as you like... (isn't old machines beautiful...) Johnny Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 22 Dec 89 19:44:47 EST Date: Fri, 22 Dec 89 19:45:28 EST From: "Robert E. Seastrom" Subject: More hardware... To: "D89.JOHNNY-BILLQUIST@AIDA.CSD.UU.SE"@MINTAKA.LCS.MIT.EDU cc: pdp8-lovers@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU In-reply-to: Msg of Mon 18 Dec 89 10:42:46 from Johnny Billquist Message-ID: <682642.891222.RS@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> I think I have a KP8-E powerfail unit somewhere around here... lemme look. Excellent find last night... I was digging around in the attic of Dupont Hall at the U of Delaware with some friends of mine, and one of them said "Hey, I know where there are some *unused* DECtapes...". Well, we went there, and there were no DECtapes to be found, but what he was referrinng to as DECtapes was actually a whole case of virgin DEC non-oiled paper tape... ---Rob Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 27 Dec 89 19:27:34 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa16776; 27 Dec 89 19:23 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 9634; Wed, 27 Dec 89 19:22:26 EST Received: from ccm.UManitoba.CA by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 6835; Wed, 27 Dec 89 19:22:25 EST Date: Wed, 27 Dec 89 18:20 CST From: RFLUKES%ccm.UManitoba.CA@mitvma.mit.edu To: pdp8-lovers@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: PDP8/e parts wanted Message-ID: <8912271923.aa16776@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> I have an RK8E controller board set which I would be willing to swap for an: RX8E - RX Disk Controller RL8A - RL Disk Controller FPP8A - Floating Point Processor I would be willing to add some cash for the RL8A and FPP8A. I also require a PC8-E reader/punch controller (M840) which I would like to purchase outright. I own a rather large number of PDP-11 Unibus cards and would also invite offers to sell or swap these for Omnibus, or Qbus boards. Thanks, Richard F. Lukes Computer Science Department University of Manitoba Winnipeg, Manitoba R3T 2N2 Canada