Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 15:17:23 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 15:17:20 -0400 Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA02961; Mon, 6 Jul 92 14:46:03 EDT Received: from pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (5.64.jnf/920408) on Mon, 6 Jul 92 13:46:00 -0500 id AA07481 with SMTP Received: by pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (5.59/890218) on Mon, 6 Jul 92 13:35:57 CDT id AA24401 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 92 13:35:57 CDT From: Douglas W. Jones Message-Id: <9207061835.AA24401@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu> To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Hardware needs a home! Date: Mon, 6 Jul 92 13:35:57 CDT From: Douglas W. Jones To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Hardware needs a home! I just visited with Keith Miller of the University of Iowa Psychology Department Shops. He took me on a tour of the PDP-8 equipment that the Psych department still has. Among the machines he showed me were: -- A PDP-8/L, sitting idle but running. It has been in a tight loop waiting for console input for a few years, but the run light is still on. -- A PDP-8, purchased by the Psych department in 1966, complete with documentation, paper tape software, and analog to digital converter. This is a real museum piece, and it's been gathering dust for years. The CPU fills most of one relay rack, and the second rack has paper tape hardware and the analog to digital converter. -- A PDP-8/I, powered down. These machines need homes, and particularly for the 1966 model, they'd like to see the machines fall into loving hands. My personal feeling is that the old PDP-8 is the kind of thing that museums really ought to be seeking. They also have an Interdata Model 4 computer (some kind of 16 bit machine, with a good bit of documentation). Doug Jones jones@cs.uiowa.edu Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 19:51:40 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 6 Jul 1992 19:51:28 -0400 Received: from uu.psi.com by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA12285; Mon, 6 Jul 92 19:22:02 EDT Received: from mama3.UUCP by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.1.031792-PSI/PSINet) id AA23666; Mon, 6 Jul 92 19:02:36 -0400 Received: from mother.intellection.com by intellection.com (4.0/SMI-4.1) id AA02306; Mon, 6 Jul 92 17:42:30 CDT Received: by mother.intellection.com (4.0/SMI-4.1) id AA09120; Mon, 6 Jul 92 17:42:29 CDT Date: Mon, 6 Jul 92 17:42:29 CDT From: emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) Message-Id: <9207062242.AA09120@mother.intellection.com> To: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu Cc: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu In-Reply-To: Douglas W. Jones's message of Mon, 6 Jul 92 13:35:57 CDT <9207061835.AA24401@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: Hardware needs a home! Date: Mon, 6 Jul 92 17:42:29 CDT From: emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) To: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu Cc: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu In-Reply-To: Douglas W. Jones's message of Mon, 6 Jul 92 13:35:57 CDT <9207061835.AA24401@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: Hardware needs a home! Dave Lacey, president of ISCA, is a PDP collector. I've forwarded your note to him. It would be nice to keep those systems in the family, so to speak. peace. -- Ed Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 7 Jul 1992 16:17:36 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 7 Jul 1992 16:16:58 -0400 Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA12195; Tue, 7 Jul 92 15:57:20 EDT Received: from pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (5.64.jnf/920408) on Tue, 7 Jul 92 14:57:16 -0500 id AA02122 with SMTP Received: by pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (5.59/890218) on Tue, 7 Jul 92 14:47:09 CDT id AA25573 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 92 14:47:09 CDT From: Douglas W. Jones Message-Id: <9207071947.AA25573@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu> To: PDP8-Lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: ILLIAC III was a PDP-8? Date: Tue, 7 Jul 92 14:47:09 CDT From: Douglas W. Jones To: PDP8-Lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: ILLIAC III was a PDP-8? When I came to the University of Illinois in 1973, there was a large room in the center of DCL devoted to ILLIAC III, an array processor being built by McCormack with AEC (Atomic Energy Commission) funding, with the target use being processing of bubble chamber photographs. There was a large area devoted to graphics input output workstations, flying spot scanners, and similar devices. They had a high speed electrostatic printer-plotter, and a number of other interesting peripherals. When I came to Illinois in 1973, many of the peripherals were in running condition, but work on the CPU had ground to a halt. As I understood the problem, numerous deadlines had been missed because of redesign work to incorporate newer technology than the originally intended technology, and a fire in the CPU had set things back even farther. Anyway, testing of peripherals and subassemblies had to be done somehow, so there was a PDP-8 in the machine room. The PDP-8 was pretty well stuffed with memory (I think it might have had all 32K 12 bit words), and I think it had an RF08 fixed head disk for another 256K. Oh yes, I seem to remember that it also had the high speed paper tape reader from ILLIAC II. This was a great thing, a home made photoelectric affair. It couldn't stop between characters, and it tended to spit tape out on the floor, but it was fast. Counting all the ILLIAC III peripherals that it controlled, this may have been one of the largest PDP-8 configurations ever. I got to play with it a bit when I took R. Michalski's database course, the machine was otherwise idle, and he decided to let students try to do database things on it. Does anyone out there have better knowledge of the last days of ILLIAC III and this PDP-8? Doug Jones jones@cs.uiowa.edu Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 8 Jul 1992 18:36:14 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 8 Jul 1992 18:36:11 -0400 Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA23878; Wed, 8 Jul 92 18:08:23 EDT Received: from pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (5.64.jnf/920408) on Wed, 8 Jul 92 17:08:12 -0500 id AA26910 with SMTP Received: by pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (5.59/890218) on Wed, 8 Jul 92 16:58:08 CDT id AA26791 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 16:58:08 CDT From: Douglas W. Jones Message-Id: <9207082158.AA26791@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu> To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Documentation needed Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 16:58:08 CDT From: Douglas W. Jones To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Documentation needed I just posted the following to various newsgroups, but I thought I'd ask here as well, although I doubt most of the people on this list want to give up their copies of anything. I should note that my Introduction to Programming is in bad enough shape that I'm considering sacrificing my copy by cutting off the spine so I can photocopy it onto new paper. If I do that, I could make extra copies. Has anyone done this to other hard to get PDP-8 documentation? If so, I'll buy a copy. ---- original posting ---- I'm in the process of trying to restore a pair of old Omnibus PDP-8 machines, and I need documentation. I have contemporaneous copies of the following: Digital Logic Handbook Introduction to Programming PDP-8/E -8/F -8/M Processor Maintenance Manual, Volume I RX01 Maintenance Manual If anyone has other PDP-8 documentation for omnibus machines, I'd like to get my hands on it. I'm particularly intereste in getting: Digital Small Computer Handbook PDP-8/E Processor Maintenance Manual, Volume II and III Engineering Drawings Digital Programming Languages (the sequel to the Intro to Programming) I got my copy of Volume I of the Maintenance Manual from someone who was about to send it to the dump, but I'm willing to pay freight and a bit more if you need some inducement to search your bookshelves for such stuff. Doug Jones 816 Park Road Iowa City, IA 52246 jones@cs.uiowa.edu Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 8 Jul 1992 19:11:00 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 8 Jul 1992 19:10:57 -0400 Received: from cs.umn.edu by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA25161; Wed, 8 Jul 92 18:47:19 EDT Received: by cs.umn.edu (5.61/1.14) id AA12206; Wed, 8 Jul 92 17:46:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 17:46:46 -0500 From: "Lawrence T. LeMay" Message-Id: <9207082246.AA12206@cs.umn.edu> To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Back door of 1/2 hight PDP8/E cabinet Cc: lemay@cs.umn.edu Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 17:46:46 -0500 From: "Lawrence T. LeMay" To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Back door of 1/2 hight PDP8/E cabinet Cc: lemay@cs.umn.edu Well, i have this nice pdp8/e cabinet. No pdp8, no power supply, just a large cabinet thats taller than I am.... However, i also have the back-door to a pdp8/e cabinet thats 1/2 as tall as this one (it has a sticker inside which identifies it as comming from a pdp8/E)... SO, does anyone want this back-door? Its here in Minneapolis, i guess we can figure out some way of shipping it.... -Larry (What shall i do with an empty cabinet and spare back door...) LeMay lemay@cs.umn.edu Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 12:51:03 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 12:50:58 -0400 Received: from babsy.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de ([134.104.3.25]) by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA15763; Thu, 9 Jul 92 10:57:01 EDT Received: by babsy.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (5.57/Ultrix4.2A) id AA24022; Thu, 9 Jul 92 15:45:45 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 92 15:45:45 +0200 From: souva@aibn55.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Ignatios Souvatzis) Message-Id: <9207091345.AA24022@babsy.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu, nietzel%pib1.dnet@babsy.ai.mit.edu Subject: looking for RX02 cabling information Reply-To: isouvatzis@aibn55.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de X-Mailer: GNU Emacs 18.57.11 X-Face: %p,8?Wc#eJ?Mf`-U.`%:}Nqnx1,!1X8DT:^_!9^Xs8a8X-bPWbzPD}Q}[QDh1a To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Cc: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Message-Id: Date: Sat, 11 Jul 92 22:53:59 EDT From: Charles Lasner To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Cc: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Date: 7/11/92 15:00 EDT From: Charles Lasner (lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subj: Announcement of new Kermit-12 utilities Currently available at watsun.cc.columbia.edu via ftp in /pub/ftp/kermit/d/k12*.* are two new files: k12enc.pal and k12dec.pal. The new files have internal dates of 8-Jul-92. Several other documentation files with similar dates are also available. Anyone who last retrieved Kermit-12 files prior to Feb, 1992 should retrieve much of the current collection which has changed since then. These are the newly updated ENCODE and DECODE programs for moving around OS/8 binary files in a reliable manner. There is several new feature added to both: the ability to deal with "raw" image data sent as a single file, and also sent split into two files. Consider the following usage: .R ENCODE *BIGGY.EN Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9118; Mon, 13 Jul 92 13:08:44 EDT Received: from UCLAMVS.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 0741; Mon, 13 Jul 92 13:08:43 EDT Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 09:05 PDT To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu From: BUDDY Subject: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly?? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 09:05 PDT To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu From: BUDDY Subject: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly?? Dear pdp8-lovers, I have this piece of code from a fortran program which has put the brakes on one of our projects here at the Center for the Sudy of Evaluation (UCLA). Here is the story (a good one): Last year a Russian Mathematican taught a course to some graduate students here at the Graduate School od Education on advanced Mathematical modeling and computer methodologies. A couple of us got really excited with some of the ideas which came out of this course and consequently got invloved with this immigrant scientist. When he came to this country he brought a printout of the source code to a fortran program which computes all important parameters and dynamic operators of interactive processes (in units of information). Well only one of his notebooks got by immigrantion officers (read KGB), so some documentation was lost. To compound this, aparently all of his research colleagues, like many scientists in Russia now, are lving out of suitcases and are unreachable. Although this Professor was the coordinating director in charge of this project and the development of this program, he is not strictly speaking a programmer and thus uncertain on some of the finer points of the program. He seems relatively sure that the computer on which this ran was in most respects a clone of a PDP-?. This project is not a breach of national security or a boon for old cold warriors; It is however important to us. If anybody can help with even just a lead worth following we would be in your debt. The following is the mystery code: .ROOT GOLKKK-L*(KOK, PRIV1,PRIV2,GRAD) KOK: .FCTR KOKILK-INV-LAMB-PEREK-FUN1-L PRIV1: .FCTR PRIVX1-MULT-PEREK-L PRIVS: .FCTR PRIVX2-ALNFAS-INV-ZEROIN-FUN1-L GRAD: .FCTR GRADTK-FUN1-DLINN-DLN1-L INV: .FCTR INVAR-KRTR-F-TLXV-MULT-FUNF-DLINN-DLN1 L: .FCTR LB:(1,1)FOROTS/LB .END All except L, LB, FOROTS are either functions or subroutines. The words on the left, ie, KOK:, PRIV1:, etc, seem to be defining sequences of subroutine and function calls-- those which follow after the word .FCTR on the same line. Our best guess is that this is assembler code. But what does it mean? Does anyone recognize this as being something?? How about being definitely NOT something?? Thanks for being there! Buddy Network manager Center for the Study of Evaluation UCLA Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 16:31:33 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 16:31:30 -0400 Received: from inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA06842; Mon, 13 Jul 92 15:56:34 EDT Received: by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com; id AA00124; Mon, 13 Jul 92 12:55:41 -0700 Received: by us1rmc.bb.dec.com; id AA01859; Mon, 13 Jul 92 15:53:59 -0400 Message-Id: <9207131953.AA01859@us1rmc.bb.dec.com> Received: from narfvx.enet; by us1rmc.enet; Mon, 13 Jul 92 15:54:01 EDT Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 15:54:01 EDT From: History shows that the Red Sox always win the World Series in the year after a Russian revolution. 13-Jul-1992 1554 To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Apparently-To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: RE: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly?? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 15:54:01 EDT From: History shows that the Red Sox always win the World Series in the year after a Russian revolution. 13-Jul-1992 1554 To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Apparently-To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: RE: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly?? It looks like instructions to an overlaying linker. The package was probably WAY too big for core, and so they used overlays to specify what collections of routines were "related", and therefore should be on a "leaf" of the overlay structure. This kind of file is very commonly found with Fortran applications running on small-memory systems. OS/8 had it, various PDP-11 operating systems had them, so did the DECsystem-10/20 linker. Overlaid program linking was done by specifying a "tree" consisting of a root node (containing the main program and commonly-used subroutines) and a collection of "leaf" or "branch" nodes, each containing several subroutines. The subroutines of one leaf would be overlayed with the subroutines of another as execution progressed through the program. .ROOT specifies the root node of the "tree" .FCTR lines specify the leaves Each is named with the name at the left-hand side. .END indicates the end of the tree specification. The LB:[1,1] is standard OS/8ish for the library area, I think. FOROTS is the Fortran Object-Time system (a collection of subroutines to interface program subroutine calls to the OS and the math libraries). I've never used overlays on OS/8 Fortran; this is based on my memory of PDP-10 Fortran, but most disk-based DEC FORTRANs of that era were similar in design, though some of the specifics may be different. Hope this helps, John Francini Digital Equipment Corporation Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 16:46:12 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 16:45:59 -0400 Received: from sunic.sunet.se by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA06884; Mon, 13 Jul 92 15:57:04 EDT Received: from Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8/1.28) id AA18150; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 21:57:01 +0200 Received: by Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/630, SunOS 4.1.2) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS id AA03336; Mon, 13 Jul 92 21:57:00 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 21:56:59 MET DST From: Johnny Billquist Reply-To: bqt@bern.docs.uu.se To: BUDDY Cc: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly?? In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 13 Jul 92 09:05 PDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 21:56:59 MET DST From: Johnny Billquist Reply-To: bqt@bern.docs.uu.se To: BUDDY Cc: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly?? In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 13 Jul 92 09:05 PDT >Dear pdp8-lovers, [some stuff deleted...] >He seems relatively sure that the computer on which this ran was in most >respects a clone of a PDP-?. > This project is not a breach of national security or a boon for old >cold warriors; It is however important to us. If anybody can help with >even just a lead worth following we would be in your debt. > The following is the mystery code: > > .ROOT GOLKKK-L*(KOK, PRIV1,PRIV2,GRAD) >KOK: .FCTR KOKILK-INV-LAMB-PEREK-FUN1-L >PRIV1: .FCTR PRIVX1-MULT-PEREK-L >PRIVS: .FCTR PRIVX2-ALNFAS-INV-ZEROIN-FUN1-L >GRAD: .FCTR GRADTK-FUN1-DLINN-DLN1-L >INV: .FCTR INVAR-KRTR-F-TLXV-MULT-FUNF-DLINN-DLN1 >L: .FCTR LB:(1,1)FOROTS/LB > .END > >All except L, LB, FOROTS are either functions or subroutines. The words >on the left, ie, KOK:, PRIV1:, etc, seem to be defining sequences of >subroutine and function calls-- those which follow after the word .FCTR on >the same line. Our best guess is that this is assembler code. But what does >it mean? Does anyone recognize this as being something?? How about >being definitely NOT something?? Thanks for being there! Well, just a shortie... The file you gave us is an overlay description file, or ODL file for short. It is used by the linker to produce the executable file. The machine is very probably some variant of the pdp-11. The operating system is most probably some variant of RSX. (By the looks of the filespec for the FORTAN library.) The ODL file is input to the linker, called TKB (TasK Builder), which understands that garbage... :-) Hope this will help you. (If you're going to compile the programs on a 32-bit architecture, you can skip all the overlay stuff, and just link it flat.) Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus CS student at Uppsala University || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 16:54:31 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 16:53:30 -0400 Received: from churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA07582; Mon, 13 Jul 92 16:12:28 EDT Received: by churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) id ; Mon, 13 Jul 92 16:12:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 16:12:23 -0400 From: bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson) Message-Id: <9207132012.AA26755@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: IZZYCT4@mvs.oac.ucla.edu, pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly?? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 16:12:23 -0400 From: bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson) To: IZZYCT4@mvs.oac.ucla.edu, pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly?? IZZYCT4: > .ROOT GOLKKK-L*(KOK, PRIV1,PRIV2,GRAD) > KOK: .FCTR KOKILK-INV-LAMB-PEREK-FUN1-L > PRIV1: .FCTR PRIVX1-MULT-PEREK-L > PRIVS: .FCTR PRIVX2-ALNFAS-INV-ZEROIN-FUN1-L > GRAD: .FCTR GRADTK-FUN1-DLINN-DLN1-L > INV: .FCTR INVAR-KRTR-F-TLXV-MULT-FUNF-DLINN-DLN1 > L: .FCTR LB:(1,1)FOROTS/LB > .END This is a TKB overlay description for PDP-11. Looks like RSTS/E in particular, since I don't believe RSX accepts parentheses in directory specifications (PPN/UIC). .ROOT is the top of the overlay hierarchy, and I believe the file specifies that GOLKKK is the top of it all, and it calls the modules KOK, PRIV1, PRIV2, GRAD, which are to be automatically loaded (TKB can automatically emit code to load overlays, this is why the description is necessary) as required. These four guys never call each other. Below, the .FCTR directives specify exactly which files are part of each module. `L' is declared as a pseudonym for the FORTRAN library (LB:[1,1]FOROTS/LB). You can probably discard this file if you're building the program on a machine with a larger virtual address space (say a Unix box, IBM PC clone, or a 370 compatible). Good luck! -- Jan Brittenson bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 17:17:42 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 17:17:35 -0400 Received: from enet-gw.pa.dec.com by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA08694; Mon, 13 Jul 92 16:42:16 EDT Received: by enet-gw.pa.dec.com; id AA14733; Mon, 13 Jul 92 13:42:07 -0700 Message-Id: <9207132042.AA14733@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> Received: from narfvx.enet; by decwrl.enet; Mon, 13 Jul 92 13:42:09 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 13:42:09 PDT From: History shows that the Red Sox always win the World Series in the year after a Russian revolution. 13-Jul-1992 1641 To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Apparently-To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly?? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 13:42:09 PDT From: History shows that the Red Sox always win the World Series in the year after a Russian revolution. 13-Jul-1992 1641 To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Apparently-To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly?? Oops. I should have realised that two-character devices (LB:) were 11s. I'm glad the rest of what I said was reasonably on-target.. I've been away from ALL of the small dec hardware for far too long.... John Francini Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 17:23:33 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 17:23:31 -0400 Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA08980; Mon, 13 Jul 92 16:50:18 EDT Received: from pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (5.64.jnf/920408) on Mon, 13 Jul 92 15:49:44 -0500 id AA00572 with SMTP Received: by pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (5.59/890218) on Mon, 13 Jul 92 15:39:39 CDT id AA01024 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 15:39:39 CDT From: Douglas W. Jones Message-Id: <9207132039.AA01024@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu> To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Available hardware Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 15:39:39 CDT From: Douglas W. Jones To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Available hardware I'm on vacation in michigan right now, so I took the time to look through the  o the U of Michigan surplus outlet (on Baxter Rpoad on the UM North Campus). The place is open afternoons from 1 to 4. In addition to new stuff like vaxes, they had a few RX02 drives (I think I saw three), and a few other like machines, including LSI/11 kinds of hjardware. It's obviously a place to keep an eye on. All I found that I could use were a number of 8 inch diskettes and a few rack-mount slides. Doug Jones (pardon the typos, my telnet host here in michigan seems confused about it's terminal type and backspace doesn't work) Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 18:16:29 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 18:16:22 -0400 Received: from sunic.sunet.se by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA10815; Mon, 13 Jul 92 17:46:54 EDT Received: from Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8/1.28) id AA21662; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 23:46:50 +0200 Received: by Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/630, SunOS 4.1.2) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS id AA11373; Mon, 13 Jul 92 23:46:49 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 23:46:48 MET DST From: Johnny Billquist Reply-To: bqt@bern.docs.uu.se To: History shows that the Red Sox always win the World Series in the year after a Russian revolution. 13-Jul-1992 1641 Cc: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly?? In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 13 Jul 92 13:42:09 PDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 23:46:48 MET DST From: Johnny Billquist Reply-To: bqt@bern.docs.uu.se To: History shows that the Red Sox always win the World Series in the year after a Russian revolution. 13-Jul-1992 1641 Cc: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly?? In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 13 Jul 92 13:42:09 PDT >Oops. > >I should have realised that two-character devices (LB:) were 11s. > >I'm glad the rest of what I said was reasonably on-target.. > >I've been away from ALL of the small dec hardware for far too long.... I ought to put our pdp-11/70 on top of your head for that statement about 'small' dec hardware... ;-) Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus CS student at Uppsala University || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 14 Jul 1992 00:58:49 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 14 Jul 1992 00:58:41 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA21603; Tue, 14 Jul 92 00:38:59 EDT Received: from uunet.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA13998; Mon, 13 Jul 92 20:45:25 -0400 Message-Id: <9207140045.AA13998@relay1.UU.NET> Received: from apex.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 191350.14358; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 19:13:50 EDT From: apex!chuckh@uunet.uu.net (Chuck Huffington) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1992 15:28:59 PDT In-Reply-To: uunet!gnu.ai.mit.edu!bson (Jan Brittenson) "Re: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly??" (Jul 13, 16:12) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.1.1 5/02/90) To: uunet!ai.mit.edu!pdp8-lovers@uunet.uu.net Subject: Re: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly?? From: apex!chuckh@uunet.uu.net (Chuck Huffington) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1992 15:28:59 PDT In-Reply-To: uunet!gnu.ai.mit.edu!bson (Jan Brittenson) "Re: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly??" (Jul 13, 16:12) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.1.1 5/02/90) To: uunet!ai.mit.edu!pdp8-lovers@uunet.uu.net Subject: Re: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly?? On Jul 13, 16:12 Jan Brittenson wrote: |Subject: Re: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly?? |IZZYCT4: | | > .ROOT GOLKKK-L*(KOK, PRIV1,PRIV2,GRAD) | > KOK: .FCTR KOKILK-INV-LAMB-PEREK-FUN1-L | > PRIV1: .FCTR PRIVX1-MULT-PEREK-L | > PRIVS: .FCTR PRIVX2-ALNFAS-INV-ZEROIN-FUN1-L | > GRAD: .FCTR GRADTK-FUN1-DLINN-DLN1-L | > INV: .FCTR INVAR-KRTR-F-TLXV-MULT-FUNF-DLINN-DLN1 | > L: .FCTR LB:(1,1)FOROTS/LB | > .END | | This is a TKB overlay description for PDP-11. Looks like RSTS/E in |particular, since I don't believe RSX accepts parentheses in directory |specifications (PPN/UIC). .ROOT is the top of the overlay hierarchy, |and I believe the file specifies that GOLKKK is the top of it all, and |it calls the modules KOK, PRIV1, PRIV2, GRAD, which are to be |automatically loaded (TKB can automatically emit code to load |overlays, this is why the description is necessary) as required. These |four guys never call each other. Below, the .FCTR directives specify |exactly which files are part of each module. `L' is declared as a |pseudonym for the FORTRAN library (LB:[1,1]FOROTS/LB). You almost got it right. The parens have nothing to do with ppn/uic. In this context they meant that the modules within occupy the same memory locations. If they are omitted the modules will concatenate instead of overlaying. I can't recall what the * means. It has been too many years. Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 14 Jul 1992 04:52:38 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 14 Jul 1992 04:52:23 -0400 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA24627; Tue, 14 Jul 92 04:27:16 EDT Received: from sunic.sunet.se by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA10157; Tue, 14 Jul 92 04:27:12 -0400 Received: from Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8/1.28) id AA13258; Tue, 14 Jul 1992 10:27:09 +0200 Received: by Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/630, SunOS 4.1.2) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS id AA07528; Tue, 14 Jul 92 10:27:08 +0200 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 92 10:27:07 MET DST From: Johnny Billquist Reply-To: bqt@bern.docs.uu.se To: apex!chuckh@uunet.uu.net (Chuck Huffington) Cc: ai.mit.edu!pdp8-lovers@uunet.uu.net Subject: Re: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly?? In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 13 Jul 1992 15:28:59 PDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 92 10:27:07 MET DST From: Johnny Billquist Reply-To: bqt@bern.docs.uu.se To: apex!chuckh@uunet.uu.net (Chuck Huffington) Cc: ai.mit.edu!pdp8-lovers@uunet.uu.net Subject: Re: mysterious code:anybody recognize it as PDP assembly?? In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 13 Jul 1992 15:28:59 PDT >| This is a TKB overlay description for PDP-11. Looks like RSTS/E in >|particular, since I don't believe RSX accepts parentheses in directory >|specifications (PPN/UIC). .ROOT is the top of the overlay hierarchy, >|and I believe the file specifies that GOLKKK is the top of it all, and >|it calls the modules KOK, PRIV1, PRIV2, GRAD, which are to be >|automatically loaded (TKB can automatically emit code to load >|overlays, this is why the description is necessary) as required. These >|four guys never call each other. Below, the .FCTR directives specify >|exactly which files are part of each module. `L' is declared as a >|pseudonym for the FORTRAN library (LB:[1,1]FOROTS/LB). > >You almost got it right. The parens have nothing to do with >ppn/uic. In this context they meant that the modules within >occupy the same memory locations. If they are omitted the >modules will concatenate instead of overlaying. You're wrong. You are right that parens are used for overlaying modules in the same memory, but LB:(1,1)FOROTS is a filespecification, which are also eligible in .ODL files. I said RSX before, but I suspect Bson is right. It's probably RSTS/E. >I can't recall what the * means. It has been too many years. Autoloading. Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus CS student at Uppsala University || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sun, 19 Jul 1992 03:54:27 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sun, 19 Jul 1992 03:54:25 -0400 Received: from ucrmath (ucrmath.ucr.edu) by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA04585; Sun, 19 Jul 92 03:36:20 EDT Received: from ucrengr (ucrengr.ucr.edu) by ucrmath (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16290; Sun, 19 Jul 92 00:35:05 PDT Date: Sun, 19 Jul 92 00:35:05 PDT From: kevin@ucrmath.ai.mit.edu (peter kevin lund) Message-Id: <9207190735.AA16290@ucrmath> To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Looking for those finishing touches. Date: Sun, 19 Jul 92 00:35:05 PDT From: kevin@ucrmath.ai.mit.edu (peter kevin lund) To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Looking for those finishing touches. Thanks to all who helped me get my 8/f working a few weeks ago; mail to a couple of you bounced, so please don't be offended if you didn't hear from me... Anyway, I'm now in the position of shopping for memory and mass storage. I have two 4K boards, which I've been advised is pretty minimal; if somebody has some laying about (yeah, right!), I'd be interested in talking with them about it... Next up, storage...my school (UC Riverside) has a monthly sale of stuff departments no longer want; at last check, they had a bunch of RX02s and RL02s ($25/unit, $5 for RL02 media). No omnibus controllers though. I really like the RL02s on a general spiffiness basis; do omnibus interfaces for them exist? So the bottom line is, I'm looking for memory and drive interfaces; I can offer (besides $) cheap RL02 cartridges and the great mystery board: the M1705. Oh, and one other thing; I saw some cards for sale which were like half-width unibus cards; two sets of fingers on the bottom and two plastic handles on top. Do these have any relevance? (to anybody? They were dirt cheap...and I bet nobody's bought em...). Thanks, Kevin Lund (kevin@ucrmath.ucr.edu) Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:56:44 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:56:37 -0400 Received: from utsmips.ccsd.uts.edu.au by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA02166; Wed, 22 Jul 92 03:25:36 EDT Received: from IRIS.bio.uts.EDU.AU by utsmips.ccsd.uts.edu.au (5.61/1.04) id AA18523; Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:25:29 +1000 Received: by IRIS.bio.uts.EDU.AU (5.52/900605.SGI) (for pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu) id AA07506; Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:25:18 EST From: andrewm@bio.uts.edu.au (Andrew Mears) Message-Id: <9207220725.AA07506@IRIS.bio.uts.EDU.AU> Subject: Help - What to do with DECmate IIs !! To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:25:17 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL4] From: andrewm@bio.uts.edu.au (Andrew Mears) Subject: Help - What to do with DECmate IIs !! To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:25:17 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL4] I have two old Digital Equipment DECmate II WPS-8 word processing systems v1.5.0 that I wish to either make use of or get rid of. One of the machines has a CP/M 2.2 board in it. I know very little about these machines and was wondering if anybody can fill me in on the most recent of this now discontinued system and software. Are there any archive sites around that are worth a look? Is there any useful software around, such as print servers, mail handlers etc. What can I do with them other than turn them into sea anchors? I'm not yet subscribed so please email me. Thanks in advance, Andrew Mears Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:02:14 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:02:10 -0400 Received: from ssd.intel.com by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA16507; Wed, 22 Jul 92 12:35:10 EDT Received: from nautilus.ssd.intel.com by ssd.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA21599; Wed, 22 Jul 92 09:34:37 PDT Message-Id: <9207221634.AA21599@ssd.intel.com> To: andrewm@bio.uts.edu.au (Andrew Mears) Cc: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu, prp@ssd.intel.com Subject: Re: Help - What to do with DECmate IIs !! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:25:17 EST." <9207220725.AA07506@IRIS.bio.uts.EDU.AU> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 09:34:30 -0700 From: prp@ssd.intel.com To: andrewm@bio.uts.edu.au (Andrew Mears) Cc: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu, prp@ssd.intel.com Subject: Re: Help - What to do with DECmate IIs !! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:25:17 EST." <9207220725.AA07506@IRIS.bio.uts.EDU.AU> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 09:34:30 -0700 From: prp@ssd.intel.com I am also interested in information about DECmate II or III's. I would like to obtain one or the other to go with older 8's in my collection, but I don't know anything about them. Which is the most fun or interesting? Can I run some of the same softare on my PDP-8e with OS/8 and on a DECmate? Paul Pierce prp@ssd.intel.com Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:49:10 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:49:06 -0400 Received: from mts-gw.pa.dec.com by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA15862; Thu, 23 Jul 92 09:23:28 EDT Received: by mts-gw.pa.dec.com; id AA04200; Thu, 23 Jul 92 06:22:10 -0700 Message-Id: <9207231322.AA04200@mts-gw.pa.dec.com> Received: from kxovax.enet; by decpa.enet; Thu, 23 Jul 92 06:23:27 PDT Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 06:23:27 PDT From: Life is short. SQL Hard. To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Apparently-To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: DECmate-{I/II/III} Uses: OS/278 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 06:23:27 PDT From: Life is short. SQL Hard. To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Apparently-To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: DECmate-{I/II/III} Uses: OS/278 The one I've got I plan to put OS/278 on and get "real" FOCAL running, which if I can get stuff ported onto it will essentially give me a PDP-8 ! rcs From snively.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu Thu Jul 23 13:05:22 1992 Return-Path: Received: from cunixf.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (5.59/FCB) id AA17526; Thu, 23 Jul 92 13:05:14 EDT Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (5.59/FCB) id AA12845; Thu, 23 Jul 92 13:05:21 EDT Received: from cybernet.cse.fau.edu by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA24122; Thu, 23 Jul 92 12:48:13 EDT Received: by cybernet.cse.fau.edu id AA13869 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.2 for pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu); Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:48:45 -0400 To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Please take me off the list From: snively.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 12:48:44 EDT Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton Please Unsubscribe snively.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu Thanks --- InterNet: snively.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu "Seer Snively" Steal this .sig | Better dead than Prodigy | Love & be loved. I'm just a Kesey loving, drum playing, computer using, incense burning, philosophical deadhead hippie high school kid with a netnews account. Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by BUGS.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:57:22 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:57:14 -0400 Received: from sunic.sunet.se by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA13687; Wed, 29 Jul 92 15:24:22 EDT Received: from Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8/1.28) id AA14330; Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:24:18 +0200 Received: by Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/630, SunOS 4.1.2) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS id AA08393; Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:24:15 +0200 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:24:13 MET DST From: Johnny Billquist Reply-To: bqt@bern.docs.uu.se To: kevin@ucrmath.ai.mit.edu (peter kevin lund) Cc: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: Looking for those finishing touches. In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 19 Jul 92 00:35:05 PDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:24:13 MET DST From: Johnny Billquist Reply-To: bqt@bern.docs.uu.se To: kevin@ucrmath.ai.mit.edu (peter kevin lund) Cc: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: Looking for those finishing touches. In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 19 Jul 92 00:35:05 PDT >Thanks to all who helped me get my 8/f working a few weeks ago; mail to >a couple of you bounced, so please don't be offended if you didn't hear >from me... > >Anyway, I'm now in the position of shopping for memory and mass storage. >I have two 4K boards, which I've been advised is pretty minimal; if >somebody has some laying about (yeah, right!), I'd be interested in >talking with them about it... Yes, 8K is pretty minimal. You can have up to 32K, which I'd recommend... Sorry, I don't have any spare memory right now. >Next up, storage...my school (UC Riverside) has a monthly sale of stuff >departments no longer want; at last check, they had a bunch of RX02s and >RL02s ($25/unit, $5 for RL02 media). No omnibus controllers though. >I really like the RL02s on a general spiffiness basis; do omnibus interfaces >for them exist? Yes. Omnibus controllers for the RL01/RL02 exists, that are called RL8A, and you'll need the hex-omnibus backplane expansion, since the RL8A is a hex-width flip-chip. Don't remember the name of the expansion box though... >So the bottom line is, I'm looking for memory and drive interfaces; I can >offer (besides $) cheap RL02 cartridges and the great mystery board: the >M1705. Oh, and one other thing; I saw some cards for sale which were >like half-width unibus cards; two sets of fingers on the bottom and two >plastic handles on top. Do these have any relevance? (to anybody? They >were dirt cheap...and I bet nobody's bought em...). No RL8A to spare, sorry. (I only have one). Unibus is hex-width, so the cards you describe are rather 1/3 unibus width. Or double-height flip-chip. No idea what they are, though... > Thanks, Not much help, but maybe you got a little wiser from my ramblings. Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus CS student at Uppsala University || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol