From cjl@maestro.com Ukn May 23 17:41:15 1994 Received: from SunSITE.Unc.EDU (calypso-2.oit.unc.edu) by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA02364; Mon, 23 May 94 17:41:10 EDT Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu ([128.59.39.2]) by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AB00547; Mon, 23 May 1994 17:44:14 -0400 Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 May 1994 17:44:05 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 May 1994 17:44:03 -0400 Received: by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for lasner@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu id AA16142; Mon, 23 May 94 17:15:53 EDT Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -fpdp8-lovers-request@ai.mit.edu pdp8-lovers-list id AA16136; Mon, 23 May 94 17:15:51 EDT Received: from maestro.Maestro.COM by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwrej16697; Mon, 23 May 94 17:15:35 -0400 Received: by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA01886; Mon, 23 May 94 17:12:15 EDT Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 17:11:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Lasner Subject: Anyone out there? To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Cc: Charles Lasner Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Is this list still alive, or is it just that all who care are now subscribing to alt.sys.pdp8? I know at least one person who can't read net news who should be arguing his case here! cjl From erd@kumiss.infinet.com Ukn May 23 18:46:49 1994 Received: from SunSITE.Unc.EDU (calypso-2.oit.unc.edu) by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA03407; Mon, 23 May 94 18:46:42 EDT Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu ([128.59.39.2]) by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA14102; Mon, 23 May 1994 18:49:40 -0400 Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 May 1994 18:49:35 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 May 1994 18:49:34 -0400 Received: by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for lasner@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu id AA19273; Mon, 23 May 94 18:23:11 EDT Return-Path: Received: from mail.infinet.com by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -fpdp8-lovers-request@ai.mit.edu pdp8-lovers-list id AA19266; Mon, 23 May 94 18:23:06 EDT Received: from kumiss by mail.infinet.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0q5iR1-000DL5C; Mon, 23 May 94 18:25 EDT Received: by kumiss.infinet.com (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0178d; Mon, 23 May 94 18:16:22 EDT Date: Mon, 23 May 94 18:16:22 EDT Message-Id: <9405232216.AA0178c@kumiss.infinet.com> From: erd@kumiss.infinet.com (Ethan Dicks) To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: Anyone out there? Status: RO X-Status: cjl (Charles Lasners) writes: :Is this list still alive, or is it just that all who care are now :subscribing to alt.sys.pdp8? I read alt.sys.pdp8. :I know at least one person who can't read net news who should be arguing :his case here! That wouldn't be me. ObPDP8: (As some of you may remember) I have been trying to help a local university faculty member upgrade his data from WPS-8 to Word on the Mac. I just got my hands on a utility called MacLink/PC Plus (from the Wierd Stuff Warehouse in Sunnyvale, CA). It lets you translate various Mac and PC file formats. One of the formats is VMS WPS. How compatible/incompatible are the VMS and PDP-8 varieties of WPS files? Thanks. -ethan From bqt@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE Ukn May 23 19:01:12 1994 Received: from sunic.sunet.se by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA03666; Mon, 23 May 94 19:01:04 EDT Received: from Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (8.6.8/2.03) id BAA24333; Tue, 24 May 1994 01:03:56 +0200 Received: by Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/630, SunOS 4.1.2) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS id AA01690; Tue, 24 May 94 01:03:56 +0200 From: Johnny Billquist Date: Tue, 24 May 94 1:03:55 MET DST Reply-To: bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se To: Charles Lasner Cc: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu, Charles Lasner Subject: Re: Anyone out there? In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 23 May 1994 17:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Status: RO X-Status: >Is this list still alive, or is it just that all who care are now >subscribing to alt.sys.pdp8? > >I know at least one person who can't read net news who should be arguing >his case here! We really should try to fix a gateway between alt.sys.pdp8 and pdp8-lovers. Does anybody know of any software packages that can do this? Johnny From John_Wilson@mts.rpi.edu Ukn May 24 00:17:12 1994 Received: from SunSITE.Unc.EDU (calypso-2.oit.unc.edu) by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA11508; Tue, 24 May 94 00:17:03 EDT Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA28296; Tue, 24 May 1994 00:20:00 -0400 Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 May 1994 00:19:58 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 May 1994 00:19:56 -0400 Received: by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for lasner@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu id AA03044; Tue, 24 May 94 00:02:17 EDT Return-Path: Received: from rpi.edu by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -fpdp8-lovers-request@ai.mit.edu pdp8-lovers-list id AA03038; Tue, 24 May 94 00:02:12 EDT Received: from MTS.RPI.EDU by rpi.edu (4.1/SMHUB41); id AA09646; Tue, 24 May 94 00:02:05 EDT for PDP8-LOVERS@AI.MIT.EDU Date: Tue, 24 May 94 00:02:00 EDT From: John_Wilson@mts.rpi.edu To: PDP8-LOVERS@ai.mit.edu Message-Id: <4336926@MTS.RPI.EDU> Subject: Mail gateway Status: RO X-Status: >We really should try to fix a gateway between alt.sys.pdp8 and >pdp8-lovers. Does anybody know of any software packages that >can do this? Hmm, I wonder what INFO-PDP11@TRANSARC.COM uses, it works pretty well. John From bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se Ukn May 24 00:24:47 1994 Received: from SunSITE.Unc.EDU (calypso-2.oit.unc.edu) by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA11979; Tue, 24 May 94 00:24:37 EDT Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA29030; Tue, 24 May 1994 00:27:31 -0400 Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08205 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 May 1994 00:27:29 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 May 1994 00:27:26 -0400 Received: by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for lasner@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu id AA03183; Tue, 24 May 94 00:10:48 EDT Return-Path: Received: from sunic.sunet.se by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -fpdp8-lovers-request@ai.mit.edu pdp8-lovers-list id AA03179; Tue, 24 May 94 00:10:45 EDT Received: from Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (8.6.8/2.03) id GAA02214; Tue, 24 May 1994 06:10:40 +0200 Received: by Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/630, SunOS 4.1.2) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS id AA05220; Tue, 24 May 94 06:10:39 +0200 From: Johnny Billquist Date: Tue, 24 May 94 6:10:38 MET DST Reply-To: bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se To: John_Wilson@mts.rpi.edu Cc: PDP8-LOVERS@ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: Mail gateway In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 24 May 94 00:02:00 EDT Message-Id: Status: RO X-Status: >>We really should try to fix a gateway between alt.sys.pdp8 and >>pdp8-lovers. Does anybody know of any software packages that >>can do this? > >Hmm, I wonder what INFO-PDP11@TRANSARC.COM uses, it works pretty well. If someone can tell me what they use, I can probably set up a gatway at a local machine here, since I do get alt.sys.pdp8 on that machine. Johnny From erd@kumiss.infinet.com Ukn May 24 14:05:23 1994 Received: from SunSITE.Unc.EDU (calypso-2.oit.unc.edu) by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA26958; Tue, 24 May 94 14:05:10 EDT Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA13915; Tue, 24 May 1994 14:08:08 -0400 Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13477 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 May 1994 14:07:54 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 May 1994 14:07:48 -0400 Received: by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for lasner@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu id AA10105; Tue, 24 May 94 13:47:55 EDT Return-Path: Received: from mail.infinet.com (ns.infinet.com) by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -fpdp8-lovers-request@ai.mit.edu pdp8-lovers-list id AA10101; Tue, 24 May 94 13:47:53 EDT Received: from kumiss by mail.infinet.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0q60cB-000DLCC; Tue, 24 May 94 13:50 EDT Received: by kumiss.infinet.com (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0179v; Tue, 24 May 94 13:42:05 EDT Date: Tue, 24 May 94 13:42:05 EDT Message-Id: <9405241742.AA0179u@kumiss.infinet.com> From: erd@kumiss.infinet.com (Ethan Dicks) To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Subject: WPS-8 vs. WPS-PLUS Status: RO X-Status: Bob Hassinger writes: :I have used exactly that combination here. We had DECmates connected via :serial lines to our VAX which runs ALL-IN-1 which in turn includes WPS-PLUS :(and before that we ran stand alone WPS-PLUS). There is a communications :option that makes transferring WPS-8 documents from the DECmate to ALL-IN-1 (or :WPS-PLUS as I recall) very easy and smooth. The VAX accepts them with no :problem. Generally speaking WPS-PLUS is a superset of WPS-8. (Note the WPS-8 :machine needs the communications capability - later versions on DECmate II and :III had it bundled but in some earlier versions it was an extra cost option). I've got a DECmate-II, so communications is not a problem. :At that point another option allows the WPS-PLUS document to be saved out of :your "file cabinet" into an individual file. You specify a file name that ends :in ".WPL" and that causes it to be stored in the right format (format :conversions are implicitly specified be the file name extensions you give!). What I don't have is WPS-PLUS. I was planning on using Kermit-12 to get the data from the DECmate-II, directly to the Mac. If WPS-PLUS is a superset, then I should be OK, right? -ethan From bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se Ukn May 25 14:14:10 1994 Received: from SunSITE.Unc.EDU (calypso-2.oit.unc.edu) by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA22296; Wed, 25 May 94 14:14:05 EDT Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA19772; Wed, 25 May 1994 14:17:12 -0400 Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 May 1994 14:15:28 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 May 1994 14:15:18 -0400 Received: by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for lasner@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu id AA10554; Wed, 25 May 94 13:52:16 EDT Return-Path: Received: from sunic.sunet.se by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -fpdp8-lovers-request@ai.mit.edu pdp8-lovers-list id AA10541; Wed, 25 May 94 13:52:05 EDT Received: from Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (8.6.8/2.03) id TAA16694; Wed, 25 May 1994 19:52:04 +0200 Received: by Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/630, SunOS 4.1.2) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS id AA26916; Wed, 25 May 94 19:52:02 +0200 From: Johnny Billquist Date: Wed, 25 May 94 19:52:01 MET DST Reply-To: bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se To: PJHurst <0005460443@mcimail.com> Cc: pdp8-lovers Subject: Re: Forwarding Net news... In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 24 May 94 10:33 EST Message-Id: Status: RO X-Status: > >IF someone had Cron privs on a unix system, then it should be quite >straightforward to setup a cron task that forwared a news group using >on of the many news readers forward options... But alas I am a mail >only system (on a) and as such have no direct access to netnews and the >ability to forward it!!! Not that easy. All articles in a newsgroup is separate files in a directory. You only want to send the new articles out to the list, so a straight forward cron-job can't do it. You will need some sort of program to help you out. Johnny From bson@moomin.ai.mit.edu Ukn May 25 17:09:34 1994 Received: from SunSITE.Unc.EDU (calypso-2.oit.unc.edu) by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA26438; Wed, 25 May 94 17:09:26 EDT Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AB06235; Wed, 25 May 1994 17:12:29 -0400 Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09119 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 May 1994 17:12:24 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 May 1994 17:12:22 -0400 Received: by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for lasner@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu id AA16732; Wed, 25 May 94 16:47:18 EDT Received: from moomin.ai.mit.edu by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -fpdp8-lovers-request@ai.mit.edu pdp8-lovers-list id AA16728; Wed, 25 May 94 16:47:15 EDT Return-Path: Received: by moomin.ai.mit.edu (3.1.28.1) id ; Wed, 25 May 94 16:48 EDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 May 94 16:48 EDT From: Jan Brittenson To: bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se Cc: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu In-Reply-To: (message from Johnny Billquist on Wed, 25 May 94 19:52:01 MET DST) Subject: Re: Forwarding Net news... Reply-To: bson@ai.mit.edu Organization: nope Status: RO X-Status: Generally, you gateway news to mail by setting up a separate outgoing news feed. The program that does the feed hacks the headers and generates mail. The opposite is done by adding an entry to the mailing list that results in all its mail being sent to a program that just hacks the headers and forwards it to inews or whatever is used to post. The two programs cooperate by tagging the messages with special header lines; otherwise messages would circulate endlessly, spawning massive volumes of mail and news. The site here already has rsalz's mail2news gateway installed, tested and running for other things. But, as I discovered yesterday, we don't get alt.sys.pdp8, so someone else will have to do the mail gw. It would have been a good thing to keep both the gateway and list administration with the same people, but that doesn't seem doable. How about trying to create comp.sys.dec.classics instead? -- Jan Brittenson bson@ai.mit.edu From emcguire@bucky.i2.com Ukn May 25 18:22:28 1994 Received: from SunSITE.Unc.EDU (calypso-2.oit.unc.edu) by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA27883; Wed, 25 May 94 18:21:51 EDT Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA23621; Wed, 25 May 1994 18:24:39 -0400 Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 May 1994 18:24:35 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01707 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 May 1994 18:24:33 -0400 Received: by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for lasner@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu id AA19075; Wed, 25 May 94 17:50:32 EDT Return-Path: Received: from uu.psi.com by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -fpdp8-lovers-request@ai.mit.edu pdp8-lovers-list id AA19069; Wed, 25 May 94 17:50:19 EDT Received: from fuller.UUCP by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA07352 for ; Wed, 25 May 94 17:37:08 -0400 Received: from bucky.intellection.com by fuller.i2.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20550; Wed, 25 May 94 16:21:55 CDT Received: by bucky.intellection.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25508; Wed, 25 May 94 16:21:55 CDT From: emcguire@bucky.i2.com Message-Id: <9405252121.AA25508@bucky.intellection.com> Subject: Re: Forwarding Net news... To: bson@ai.mit.edu Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 16:21:54 -0500 (CDT) Cc: bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se, pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu In-Reply-To: from "Jan Brittenson" at May 25, 94 04:48:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 291 Status: RO X-Status: > It would have been a good thing to keep both the gateway and list > administration with the same people, but that doesn't seem doable. > > How about trying to create comp.sys.dec.classics instead? Just to get a gateway to news working? Surely someone on the list can run mail2news. Ed From meg@netmeg.ann-arbor.mi.us Ukn May 25 18:29:54 1994 Received: from SunSITE.Unc.EDU (calypso-2.oit.unc.edu) by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA28023; Wed, 25 May 94 18:29:31 EDT Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AC25441; Wed, 25 May 1994 18:32:30 -0400 Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 May 1994 18:32:27 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02743 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 May 1994 18:32:24 -0400 Received: by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for lasner@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu id AA19348; Wed, 25 May 94 18:00:27 EDT Return-Path: Received: from destroyer.rs.itd.umich.edu by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -fpdp8-lovers-request@ai.mit.edu pdp8-lovers-list id AA19343; Wed, 25 May 94 18:00:25 EDT Received: from netmeg.UUCP by destroyer.rs.itd.umich.edu (5.65/2.2) id AA09102; Wed, 25 May 94 17:42:02 -0400 Received: by netmeg.ann-arbor.mi.us (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0q6QWK-0001WbC; Wed, 25 May 94 17:29 EDT Message-Id: From: meg@netmeg.ann-arbor.mi.us (Meg Geddes) Subject: Re: Forwarding Net news... To: bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 17:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Cc: 0005460443@mcimail.com, pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu In-Reply-To: from "Johnny Billquist" at May 25, 94 07:52:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 957 Status: RO X-Status: -> ->> ->>IF someone had Cron privs on a unix system, then it should be quite ->>straightforward to setup a cron task that forwared a news group using ->>on of the many news readers forward options... But alas I am a mail ->>only system (on a) and as such have no direct access to netnews and the ->>ability to forward it!!! -> ->Not that easy. All articles in a newsgroup is separate files ->in a directory. You only want to send the new articles out ->to the list, so a straight forward cron-job can't do it. ->You will need some sort of program to help you out. -> -> Johnny -> I have a full newsfeed, and the capability to mail newsgroups to people who want to receive them, if someone wants to organize this and figure out who wants to get the newsgroup, I set up a mailing list to do so. -- Meg Geddes Ann Arbor, MI meg@netmeg.ann-arbor.mi.us From cjl@maestro.com Ukn May 25 19:10:10 1994 Received: from SunSITE.Unc.EDU (calypso-2.oit.unc.edu) by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA28813; Wed, 25 May 94 19:10:05 EDT Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AB04647; Wed, 25 May 1994 19:13:02 -0400 Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 May 1994 19:12:59 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07492 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 May 1994 19:12:56 -0400 Received: by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for lasner@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu id AA20687; Wed, 25 May 94 18:55:41 EDT Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -fpdp8-lovers-request@ai.mit.edu pdp8-lovers-list id AA20680; Wed, 25 May 94 18:55:39 EDT Received: from maestro.Maestro.COM by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwrlz17150; Wed, 25 May 94 18:55:34 -0400 Received: by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA28472; Wed, 25 May 94 18:52:15 EDT Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 18:51:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Lasner Subject: Re: Forwarding Net news... To: PJHurst <0005460443@mcimail.com> Cc: pdp8-lovers In-Reply-To: <01940524153310/0005460443PK4EM@mcimail.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 24 May 1994, PJHurst wrote: > > IF someone had Cron privs on a unix system, then it should be quite > straightforward to setup a cron task that forwared a news group using > on of the many news readers forward options... But alas I am a mail > only system (on a) and as such have no direct access to netnews and the > ability to forward it!!! > > Paul Hurst But how do you get a followup you post to the list to be an item on the newsgroup? cjl From bson@moomin.ai.mit.edu Ukn May 25 19:17:08 1994 Received: from SunSITE.Unc.EDU (calypso-2.oit.unc.edu) by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA29041; Wed, 25 May 94 19:16:54 EDT Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA06085; Wed, 25 May 1994 19:19:54 -0400 Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17168 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 May 1994 19:19:51 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 May 1994 19:19:49 -0400 Received: by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for lasner@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu id AA20913; Wed, 25 May 94 18:59:56 EDT Received: from moomin.ai.mit.edu by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -fpdp8-lovers-request@ai.mit.edu pdp8-lovers-list id AA20907; Wed, 25 May 94 18:59:53 EDT Return-Path: Received: by moomin.ai.mit.edu (3.1.28.1) id ; Wed, 25 May 94 19:00 EDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 May 94 19:00 EDT From: Jan Brittenson To: emcguire@bucky.i2.com Cc: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu In-Reply-To: <9405252121.AA25508@bucky.intellection.com> (emcguire@bucky.i2.com) Subject: Re: Forwarding Net news... Reply-To: bson@ai.mit.edu Organization: nope Status: RO X-Status: From: emcguire@bucky.i2.com Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 16:21:54 -0500 (CDT) Cc: bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se, pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu >> How about trying to create comp.sys.dec.classics instead? > Just to get a gateway to news working? To create a newsgroup everyone will receive. If everyone receives it, then there's no longer a need for a gateway, since people can just read it through news. So, the answer to your question is no, I meant what I wrote -- my use of "instead" was intentional. If someone positively must have the traffic delivered through their mailbox, then there are several sites that already maintain similar gateways for other core newsgroups. > Surely someone on the list can run mail2news. Surely you're more intelligent than this. -- Jan Brittenson bson@ai.mit.edu From cjl@maestro.com Ukn May 25 19:27:00 1994 Received: from SunSITE.Unc.EDU (calypso-2.oit.unc.edu) by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA29259; Wed, 25 May 94 19:26:49 EDT Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA08064; Wed, 25 May 1994 19:30:00 -0400 Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 May 1994 19:29:57 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 May 1994 19:29:55 -0400 Received: by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for lasner@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu id AA21133; Wed, 25 May 94 19:09:39 EDT Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -fpdp8-lovers-request@ai.mit.edu pdp8-lovers-list id AA21124; Wed, 25 May 94 19:09:36 EDT Received: from maestro.Maestro.COM by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwrma19965; Wed, 25 May 94 19:09:25 -0400 Received: by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA28708; Wed, 25 May 94 19:06:01 EDT Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 19:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Lasner Subject: Re: WPS-8 vs. WPS-PLUS To: Ethan Dicks Cc: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu In-Reply-To: <9405241742.AA0179u@kumiss.infinet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 24 May 1994, Ethan Dicks wrote: > Bob Hassinger writes: > > :I have used exactly that combination here. We had DECmates connected via > :serial lines to our VAX which runs ALL-IN-1 which in turn includes WPS-PLUS > :(and before that we ran stand alone WPS-PLUS). There is a communications > :option that makes transferring WPS-8 documents from the DECmate to ALL-IN-1 (or > :WPS-PLUS as I recall) very easy and smooth. The VAX accepts them with no > :problem. Generally speaking WPS-PLUS is a superset of WPS-8. (Note the WPS-8 > :machine needs the communications capability - later versions on DECmate II and > :III had it bundled but in some earlier versions it was an extra cost option). > > I've got a DECmate-II, so communications is not a problem. Wrong. This is leaving out all that matters! What is being described is merely that all of these systems support "DX" document exchange communication. You could be Rainbow WPS+, WPS+PC, MASS-11, VMS, TOPS-20 DX, it doesn't matter. (Or Suitable Solutions WPS-DOS or WPS-80 for either the Rainbow or the DECmate with APU/XPU. BTW, I have a copy of DECmate WPS-80.) So, on the end system you get a local "equivalent" of what you sent them, presumably starting from DECmate/PDP-8 WPS. Conversions of what your doc was turned into have nothing to do with its origin, etc. > > :At that point another option allows the WPS-PLUS document to be saved out of > :your "file cabinet" into an individual file. You specify a file name that ends > :in ".WPL" and that causes it to be stored in the right format (format > :conversions are implicitly specified be the file name extensions you give!). > > What I don't have is WPS-PLUS. I was planning on using Kermit-12 to get the > data from the DECmate-II, directly to the Mac. Kermit-12 only helps you send ASCII text files. That's fine as long as you want to lose all of the WPS "-isms" in the process by passing the file through DECmate WPFLOP into OS/278 ASCII files. But if you use Suitable Solutions WPS-DOS, you can turn the file directly into what some call "DX" format as an MS-DOS file, and then Software Bridge can turn that into WordPerfect without losing anything. Such a file could then be brought to the Mac, etc. on a 1.44 MB MS-DOS 3.5" or using Kermit, etc. from the PC, etc. > > If WPS-PLUS is a superset, then I should be OK, right? It ain't, and no. > > -ethan > cjl From cjl@maestro.com Ukn May 25 20:30:59 1994 Received: from SunSITE.Unc.EDU (calypso-2.oit.unc.edu) by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA00557; Wed, 25 May 94 20:30:10 EDT Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AB21253; Wed, 25 May 1994 20:32:55 -0400 Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 May 1994 20:32:51 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14437 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 May 1994 20:32:49 -0400 Received: by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for lasner@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu id AA22522; Wed, 25 May 94 20:10:57 EDT Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -fpdp8-lovers-request@ai.mit.edu pdp8-lovers-list id AA22515; Wed, 25 May 94 20:10:49 EDT Received: from maestro.Maestro.COM by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwrme01834; Wed, 25 May 94 20:10:35 -0400 Received: by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA29996; Wed, 25 May 94 20:07:15 EDT Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 19:53:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Lasner Subject: Re: Forwarding Net news... To: bson@ai.mit.edu Cc: bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se, pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 25 May 1994, Jan Brittenson wrote: > Generally, you gateway news to mail by setting up a separate outgoing > news feed. The program that does the feed hacks the headers and > generates mail. The opposite is done by adding an entry to the > mailing list that results in all its mail being sent to a program that > just hacks the headers and forwards it to inews or whatever is used to > post. The two programs cooperate by tagging the messages with special > header lines; otherwise messages would circulate endlessly, spawning > massive volumes of mail and news. Makes sense. > > The site here already has rsalz's mail2news gateway installed, tested > and running for other things. But, as I discovered yesterday, we > don't get alt.sys.pdp8, so someone else will have to do the mail gw. > It would have been a good thing to keep both the gateway and list > administration with the same people, but that doesn't seem doable. Don't you get alt groups at all? I can re-newgroup alt.sys.pdp8 yet again if it helps. If you ask the news admin to let it in, then when it arrives there, it'll "take" etc. > > How about trying to create comp.sys.dec.classics instead? No hope. The self-appointed hotshots who "run" the "mainstream" ("alt is a sewer!") newsgroups will exhause anyone's patience as they endlessly massage their egos talking about news administrivia instead of doing the "approval" for such a group. Additionally, a non-alt group has to pass formal "rules" about getting created. Thus, you first have to have a viable existent newsgroup to generate enough "votes" for the passage of the new group, and then you have to "win" the vote count. I think that you have to have someting like winning 2:1 and also that it also means you won by over 100 votes. Thus, these hot-shots can sabotage any such effort because they can be *counted on* to vote no on anything they aren't in to. Thus, there aren't enough of us to win by shear bulk. We would probably have to have around 500 active readers who want to create it seriously enough to vote yes so that we offset those self-appointed net.cops, etc. Assuming there are about 100 of us isn't good enough as these egotistical assholes bother to participate in no votes and then just go back to being disinterested parties relative to our activities, etc. And further, we have no "track record" as all we are is an .alt group. These people have a mindset problem in that they knee-jerk react to all alt groups as joke groups. When I first newgrouped alt.sys.pdp8, it was after a brief discussion with one person (you know who you are, M.O.!) and we had the standard discussion and seconding on alt.config. The usual "participants" there were heavily involved in what they usually do, i.e., arguing pedantically why some marginally-named group did/did not deserve to exist (while of course there are several similarly named groups serving fairly close purposes, etc.) and ultimately spending a lot of bandwidth on just how to name the group to be "most" consistent with existing group names, etc. Thus, they really didn't notice us. But tough! I followed all of the "rules" for creating an alt group. Yet, later I got several nasty e-mail from some of them for "violating" their "rules". I told them that they missed the discussion because they were excessively side-tracked by that then-hot topic, and that it was all done weeks ago, etc. Eventually, they relented. However, if they had been persistent, we could find ourselves in one of those egotistical "wars" where one person does a newgroup only to be cancelled minutes later by another doing a rmgroup, etc. And recently, when I do another newgroup, I make it clear this is a viable *existent* group, and the newgroup is being done for propagation improvement purposes only, and that we have been in continuous operation since Sep, 1992, etc. So, yes, it would be nice. But with the current state of net.anarchy, I wouldn't hold my breath.... > > -- Jan Brittenson > bson@ai.mit.edu cjl From cjl Wed May 25 20:39:02 1994 Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 20:38:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Lasner Subject: Re: Forwarding Net news... To: bson@ai.mit.edu cc: emcguire@bucky.i2.com, pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR X-Status: On Wed, 25 May 1994, Jan Brittenson wrote: > To create a newsgroup everyone will receive. If everyone receives it, > then there's no longer a need for a gateway, since people can just > read it through news. There is no such thing. Some of our readers *cannot* read the news at all, no group! cjl From HASSINGER@merlin.lmig.com Ukn May 26 11:47:34 1994 Received: from SunSITE.Unc.EDU (calypso-2.oit.unc.edu) by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA12551; Thu, 26 May 94 11:46:45 EDT Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA28504; Thu, 26 May 1994 11:48:52 -0400 Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26179 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 May 1994 11:48:49 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 May 1994 11:48:45 -0400 Received: by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for lasner@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu id AA18353; Thu, 26 May 94 11:26:37 EDT Return-Path: Received: from merlin.lmig.com by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -fpdp8-lovers-request@ai.mit.edu pdp8-lovers-list id AA18345; Thu, 26 May 94 11:26:31 EDT Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 11:25:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Hassinger To: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu Cc: HASSINGER@merlin.lmig.com Message-Id: <940526112552.bcd5@merlin.lmig.com> Subject: Re: WPS-8 vs. WPS-PLUS Status: RO X-Status: cjl writes: >On Tue, 24 May 1994, Ethan Dicks wrote: > >> Bob Hassinger writes: >> >> :I have used exactly that combination here. We had DECmates connected via >> :serial lines to our VAX which runs ALL-IN-1 which in turn includes WPS-PLUS >> :(and before that we ran stand alone WPS-PLUS). There is a communications >> :option that makes transferring WPS-8 documents from the DECmate to ALL-IN-1 (or >> :WPS-PLUS as I recall) very easy and smooth. The VAX accepts them with no >> :problem. Generally speaking WPS-PLUS is a superset of WPS-8. (Note the WPS-8 >> :machine needs the communications capability - later versions on DECmate II and >> :III had it bundled but in some earlier versions it was an extra cost option). >> >> I've got a DECmate-II, so communications is not a problem. > >Wrong. This is leaving out all that matters! What is being described is >merely that all of these systems support "DX" document exchange >communication. You could be Rainbow WPS+, WPS+PC, MASS-11, VMS, TOPS-20 >DX, it doesn't matter. (Or Suitable Solutions WPS-DOS or WPS-80 for >either the Rainbow or the DECmate with APU/XPU. BTW, I have a copy of >DECmate WPS-80.) ... I had attempted to make my reply private to avoid a network debate. I read the question as being specifically directed at the particular question of using MacLink/Plus on a Mac as a part of a conversion process from the WPS-8 family. I offered one view of that, and as I reported it works quite well me, cjl's comments not-withstanding. ... >> >> If WPS-PLUS is a superset, then I should be OK, right? > >It ain't, and no. > >> >> -ethan >> > >cjl Of course none of the WPS-PLUS implementations are perfect supersets of any of the WPS-8 family. As I noted however, I have found that for practical purposes it is close enough to be quite useful in situations like this. I have found MacLink/Plus does provide a usable conversion from .WPL files to MS Word on the Mac, which is not to say there aren't any number of other options too. The main reasons I do it the way I outlined are that in my particular case it gives an easy way to get the DECmate document into a .WPL file format and put it in a place that is easy for me to access from the Mac. That in turn allows easy MacLink/Plus access for the conversion to MS Word or another format. If, as Ethan Dicks' follow up message (which I did not see on the list for some reason) says, a VAX with ALL-IN-1 or stand alone WPS-PLUS is not available, then my particular process is not the solution to the file transfer part of his the problem. MacLink/Plus may still serve for the conversion part. Any combination that can successfully take a DECmate document from WPS-8 and get it into a .WPL format file located on the Mac should be satisfactory. It depends on what platforms and software _are_ available to the person seeking to do the job. I think the most helpful contribution on this would be to simply document the various options for getting a document out of DECmate WPS into a format that is accessible on a more flexible platform while retaining the WPS formatting. As I suggested, the WPS-8 communications option to the VAX is one. Others may be able to document other options, and where to get the software involved. I am not sure cjl's message was completely clear and easy to implement on that, at least for a new-comer who lacks his background and resources. Bob Hassinger hassinger@merlin.lmig.com From cjl@maestro.com Ukn May 26 17:40:21 1994 Received: from SunSITE.Unc.EDU (calypso-2.oit.unc.edu) by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA21071; Thu, 26 May 94 17:40:13 EDT Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA28785; Thu, 26 May 1994 17:43:13 -0400 Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 May 1994 17:43:04 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 May 1994 17:42:51 -0400 Received: by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for lasner@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu id AA09733; Thu, 26 May 94 17:14:49 EDT Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -fpdp8-lovers-request@ai.mit.edu pdp8-lovers-list id AA09650; Thu, 26 May 94 17:11:15 EDT Received: from maestro.Maestro.COM by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwrpk23554; Thu, 26 May 94 17:11:04 -0400 Received: by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA20548; Thu, 26 May 94 17:07:45 EDT Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 16:56:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Lasner Subject: Re: WPS-8 vs. WPS-PLUS To: Bob Hassinger Cc: pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu, HASSINGER@merlin.lmig.com In-Reply-To: <940526112552.bcd5@merlin.lmig.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 26 May 1994, Bob Hassinger wrote: > cjl writes: > > >On Tue, 24 May 1994, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > >> Bob Hassinger writes: > >> > >> :I have used exactly that combination here. We had DECmates connected via > >> :serial lines to our VAX which runs ALL-IN-1 which in turn includes WPS-PLUS > >> :(and before that we ran stand alone WPS-PLUS). There is a communications > >> :option that makes transferring WPS-8 documents from the DECmate to ALL-IN-1 (or > >> :WPS-PLUS as I recall) very easy and smooth. The VAX accepts them with no > >> :problem. Generally speaking WPS-PLUS is a superset of WPS-8. (Note the WPS-8 > >> :machine needs the communications capability - later versions on DECmate II and > >> :III had it bundled but in some earlier versions it was an extra cost option). > >> > >> I've got a DECmate-II, so communications is not a problem. > > > >Wrong. This is leaving out all that matters! What is being described is > >merely that all of these systems support "DX" document exchange > >communication. You could be Rainbow WPS+, WPS+PC, MASS-11, VMS, TOPS-20 > >DX, it doesn't matter. (Or Suitable Solutions WPS-DOS or WPS-80 for > >either the Rainbow or the DECmate with APU/XPU. BTW, I have a copy of > >DECmate WPS-80.) > > ... > > I had attempted to make my reply private to avoid a network debate. I read the > question as being specifically directed at the particular question of using > MacLink/Plus on a Mac as a part of a conversion process from the WPS-8 family. > I offered one view of that, and as I reported it works quite well me, cjl's > comments not-withstanding. > > ... > > >> > >> If WPS-PLUS is a superset, then I should be OK, right? > > >It ain't, and no. > > > >> > >> -ethan > >> > > > >cjl > > Of course none of the WPS-PLUS implementations are perfect supersets of any of > the WPS-8 family. As I noted however, I have found that for practical purposes > it is close enough to be quite useful in situations like this. I have found > MacLink/Plus does provide a usable conversion from .WPL files to MS Word on the > Mac, which is not to say there aren't any number of other options too. > > The main reasons I do it the way I outlined are that in my particular case it > gives an easy way to get the DECmate document into a .WPL file format and put > it in a place that is easy for me to access from the Mac. That in turn allows > easy MacLink/Plus access for the conversion to MS Word or another format. > > If, as Ethan Dicks' follow up message (which I did not see on the list for some > reason) says, a VAX with ALL-IN-1 or stand alone WPS-PLUS is not available, > then my particular process is not the solution to the file transfer part of his > the problem. MacLink/Plus may still serve for the conversion part. > > Any combination that can successfully take a DECmate document from WPS-8 and > get it into a .WPL format file located on the Mac should be satisfactory. It > depends on what platforms and software _are_ available to the person seeking to > do the job. > > I think the most helpful contribution on this would be to simply document the > various options for getting a document out of DECmate WPS into a format that is > accessible on a more flexible platform while retaining the WPS formatting. As > I suggested, the WPS-8 communications option to the VAX is one. Others may be > able to document other options, and where to get the software involved. I am > not sure cjl's message was completely clear and easy to implement on that, at > least for a new-comer who lacks his background and resources. > > Bob Hassinger > hassinger@merlin.lmig.com Bob has *never* been able to follow anything I offer :-). A lot of people have been this route already, trying to help people like Ethan with problems like this, etc. There is a very expensive commercial solution, and I never recommend it involving the Shaftstall conversion peripheral for PC's, etc. For a lot of data to be converted, communications as an intermediary is a ludicrous notion since we're talking about using 9600 baud or worse, etc. The problem is that there really aren't too many programs that like WPS8 RX50 disks directly. If you have a Rainbow, you can convert the disks, and the result is palatable to WPS+PC, but that entails another level of conversion, as well as needing another machine. Using Suitable Solutions' WPS-DOS gets you to DX format disks in one step. Moreover, you can do WPS-style editting while there if desired, etc. Software Bridge is a real easy to use Windows program that takes DX format (a descendent of WPS internally, but MS-DOS files on the PC) and makes it any one of a number of popular PC WP formats such as Wordperfect. Such files can be read on a Mac if you use 1.44 MB 3.5" HD diskettes. So, we're talking about using a program that's a virtual user-interface clone of WPS, followed by a dumb Windows program. Still think this is "too hard" to follow? My "background and resources" are what makes my suggestion possible; it doesn't take much to act on it. cjl From cjl@maestro.com Fri Mar 10 02:36:53 1995 Received: from SunSITE.Unc.EDU (calypso-2.oit.unc.edu) by maestro.Maestro.COM (4.1/MAESTRO-0.1/07-03-93) id AA03517; Tue, 31 May 94 15:45:29 EDT Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA12661; Tue, 31 May 1994 15:48:35 -0400 Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05150 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 May 1994 00:27:42 -0400 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06632 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 May 1994 00:27:39 -0400 Received: by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for lasner@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu id AA25396; Tue, 31 May 94 00:12:13 EDT Return-Path: Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -fpdp8-lovers-request@ai.mit.edu pdp8-lovers-list id AA25391; Tue, 31 May 94 00:12:06 EDT Received: from nutrimat.gnu.ai.mit.edu by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 31 May 94 00:11:55 -0400 Received: by nutrimat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (15.11/4.0) id ; Tue, 31 May 94 00:11:49 edt Date: Tue, 31 May 94 00:11:49 edt From: tower@gnu.ai.mit.edu Message-Id: <9405310411.AA03803@nutrimat.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: bson@ai.mit.edu Cc: bqt@minsk.docs.uu.se, pdp8-lovers@ai.mit.edu In-Reply-To: "bson@moomin.ai.mit.edu" Reply-To: tower@prep.ai.mit.edu Sender: tower@prep.ai.mit.edu Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139-3309, USA +1-617-876-3296 Home: 36 Porter Street, Somerville, MA 02143, USA +1-617-623-7739 Reply-To: tower@prep.ai.mit.edu Sender: tower@prep.ai.mit.edu Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139-3309, USA +1-617-876-3296 Home: 36 Porter Street, Somerville, MA 02143, USA +1-617-623-7739 Subject: Forwarding Net news... Date: Wed, 25 May 94 16:48 EDT From: Jan Brittenson Generally, you gateway news to mail by setting up a separate outgoing news feed. The program that does the feed hacks the headers and generates mail. The opposite is done by adding an entry to the mailing list that results in all its mail being sent to a program that just hacks the headers and forwards it to inews or whatever is used to post. The two programs cooperate by tagging the messages with special header lines; otherwise messages would circulate endlessly, spawning massive volumes of mail and news. The site here already has rsalz's mail2news gateway installed, tested and running for other things. ai.mit.edu has mail2news partially installed, but I don't believe it was ever put into full production. Jan could ask Bruce what the status is. Jan: The sources are under /src/local/newsgate. ;-} But, as I discovered yesterday, we don't get alt.sys.pdp8, so someone else will have to do the mail gw. alt.sys.pdp8 now exists at ai.mit.edu. The local policy on alt, is that new groups are only created on request to usenet@ai.mit.edu It would have been a good thing to keep both the gateway and list administration with the same people, but that doesn't seem doable. Seems doable now!?! ;-} How about trying to create comp.sys.dec.classics instead? -- Jan Brittenson bson@ai.mit.edu that's almost a two month long process and someone has to put a fair amount of time in doing the RFS et al. If you do this, I suggest multiple groups from the start: comp.sys.dec.classics.misc comp.sys.dec.classics.pdp8 comp.sys.dec.classics.pdp10 comp.sys.dec.classics.pdp11 ... ??? best -len Member, League for Programming Freedom, ask: lpf@uunet.uu.net